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CHAD BRADLEY'S

MUGEN MST1 SET UP 5/7/03

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USING NEW OPTIONAL SPRINGS AND 1.5 PISTONS

FRONT

Oil .................................... 200

Pistons ............................ 1.5

Springs............................. Grey

Shock Position ................. Mid hole on arm; Mid hole on tower

Camber Position ............... Outer hole on front bulkhead; 1 mm washer under ball stud.

Camber ............................ -1 degree

Ride Hight ........................ Front arms level

Toe In .............................. 1 degree

 

REAR

Oil ................................... 300

Pistons ........................... 1.5

Spring ............................. White

Shock Position ................ Inner hole on arm; Outer position on tower

Camber Positon .............. Outside hole on hub; Upper outer hole on tower

Camber .......................... -1/2 Degree

Toe In ............................ 1 Degree hub; 4 Degree arm mount

Ride Hight ...................... Arms slightly above level

 

ENGINE BREAK IN - BY RON PARIS

 

Before you even place your nitro car on a starter box or yank its pull-starter, read the instruction manual that

came with your engine or car kit. Most nitro kits' manuals have a section that will tell you approximately where

the carburetor's needle settings should be for initial start up. We have found that higher-end (more expensive)

engines tend to follow the instruction's settings more closely, which means that when the manual says to set the

high-end needle at three turns out from closed, this is almost exactly where the engine will run best for break-in.

 

For sport-type engines, the needle position that allows the engine to fire and run may be quite different from what's

recommended in the manual. In our experience, if a sport engine won't fire, leaning the high-speed needle

in small increments will get it going. Once the engine fires and runs consistently, we will usually richen the needle

back to where the instructions recommend. Never run a new engine, or even an older one, too lean.

 

 Your new engine's first run

We know that you want to go out and do some hot laps the instant your new engine fires to life&emdash;but don't!

The first few runs of your new engine are critical. Once your engine starts, place the car on a stand so

that its wheels can't touch the ground. Let the engine idle at low rpm for a few minutes (two or three minutes will do),

then shut the engine down and let it cool.During this procedure, it's also important that the piston

not be at the top of the cylinder while the engine is cooling. Part of what's taking place during break-in

is that the engine's mating parts are being heat-cycled; they're expanding when the engine is hot and

contracting when it cools. Heat cycling stabilizes the metal and allows mating parts to fit better against

each other. Keeping the piston out of the upper portion of the cylinder (which is smaller in

diameter than the lower portion in order to create a better seal during combustion) will allow the cylinder

to properly contract as it cools; without interference from the piston. To figure out where the piston

is in relation to the cylinder, just turn the flywheel; it will become difficult to turn when the piston

is at the top of the cylinder, where the fit between the piston and cylinder is its tightest. Just

turn the flywheel until the piston is in the middle of its "easy turning" part. Now you're

ready to lay down some horsepower, right? Wrong! Repeat the above steps three or four more times.

 

Yes, you can drive it now

After you've heat-cycled your engine, you can finally put it on the track. But don't get too excited

yet you must run it with a very rich high-speed needle setting. Some engine experts recommend that,

during break-in, the engine be set rich enough so that it will actually four-cycle instead of two

(our nitro engines are two-cycle, which means that the fuel/air mixture is ignited once for every

two strokes of the piston). Four cycling means that the engine is actually only firing one time for

every four strokes of the piston. In this condition, all of the unburned fuel passing through

the combustion chamber takes heat (and any tiny metal particles created during the breaking-in process)

right out to the exhaust pipe! Do you really need to run the engine this rich? Well, the experts

know their stuff, but we have broken in dozens of new engines without actually allowing them to four stroke.

Whether or not you four-stroke your engine during break-in is entirely up to you; just make

absolutely certain that the high-speed needle is set very rich: lots of blue smoke should be coming from

the exhaust, and the engine should sound "blubbe. During this procedure, it's vital that you avoid

prolonged use of full throttle, which could strain the engine. You should instead "blip" the

throttle as you drive the car to avoid spending too much time in one particular rpm range.

Run the engine using these settings for three or four tankfuls of fuel, allowing the engine to cool

in between runs.

 

Now comes the good part!

Once you've put about six to eight tanks of fuel through the engine (as outlined above), it's time

to begin leaning the high-speed needle and making some power! Begin by leaning the high-speed needle

(by turning it inward, or clockwise) by about one-hour (if you imagine the needle as a clockface,

one full turn of the needle would equal 12 hours). Run the car for a minute or so, then bring it back in

and lean the needle by another one hour increment. Repeat this process until the engine begins to

achieve good rpm, but it shouldn't be allowed to "scream" quite yet. The engine should still be creating

lots of blue smoke from its exhaust. Before you achieve that screaming race setting, we recommend

that you run your engine for a few more tankfuls in this "almost race" setting. Once you get the needle

set to where your engine is making good rpm, richen it (by turning the needle counter-clockwise) by about

a quarter of a turn; this is your final setting.

 

 The final steps

Once you've found a good setting for the high-speed needle that allows the engine to make good power yet

still push plenty of blue smoke from the exhaust (especially when the car exits a turn), it's

time to set the low-end needle and the idle-stop screw. Most engine manufacturers recommend

a specific setting for the idle-stop screw, and they're usually well within the ballpark. For

now, set the idle-stop screw so that the engine will idle at a moderate rpm without stalling.

Bring the engine up to operating temperature by driving itf or a few minutes. Now stop

the car and listen to the engine's idle speed. If the engine idles fast but then slows down in

just a few seconds, the low-speed needle is probably set too rich. Lean the low-speed needle

(by turning it clockwise in one-hour increments) until, after running a few more laps, the

idle stays high for about twenty seconds or so when you stop the car. Once you've done this, use the

idle-stop screw to make the final adjustment of the idle speed. For sport engines which lack a

low-speed needle, the idle-stop screw is the only method of adjusting the engine's idle speed. For

these engines, simply turn the idle-screw clockwise to increase idle speed, and counterclockwise

to reduce the idle speed. Setting your engine's idle speed isn't a contest to see how low you

can get it without stalling the engine! Your goal when setting the idle should be to allow the engine

to run at moderate rpm withoutt he clutch being engaged whatsoever. Your car should be able to sit at

a standstill when idling. If you have to hold the brake, the idle is too high. If you have to blip the

throttle to prevent stalling the engine, the idle it too low.

 

Nitro powered R/C vehicles can be tons of fun, or they can cause tons of frustration. The difference

between success or failure lies with the break-in process. If you follow these steps, have

patience, and use your noggin, you're assured of success. Rushingt hrough the break-in procedure

or worse, forgettting it altogether, is a recipe for disaster. Tuning your engine is the hardest part

of nitro racing. But once you've learned how the carburetor works, and which screw does

what, it will all become second nature. So when you're running your car, you'll always know exactly what

to adjust to gain the highest level of performance possible

Enjoy your new engine

 

 

By David Andriessen on Tue May 16, 2000:
Nova Rossi Third Needle

The screw has several functions. It effects the bottom-end mixture and can be adjusted in finer increments than the screw in the slide. It also can be used to influence the pick up of your engine in a specific way. By adjusting the regular low-end needle and the fine tuning screw both in the same direction you can shift the point where fuel enters the carb venturi. Thus effecting at which throttle position the low-end needle completely clears the spray bar. If you shift it more to the side more fuel will enter the carb at once when you open the throttle, which in turn will give you better throttle response coming from full throttle, to slowing down momentarily, and punching it wide open again. The downside is that it can cause your engine to load up when you're driving in slow sections.

As you can see, when set incorrectly it can really screw up your tuning. I don't think many drivers would miss that screw if it wasn't there. The default setting will do fine in almost all circumstances.

By Regan LeBlanc on Tue Mar 7/2001
Standard GT Set-up for Richard Saxton


Front: #2 pistons and 35wgt oil, silver springs, outside on arm and tower.
Rear: #1 pistons and 30wgt oil, green springs, outside on tower and arm.
Short wheelbase and 1.5 hubs in the back. Run 0 degree toe in up front and One and a half to two degrees camber front and rear. I highly recomend you get the 1.5 degree rear hub carriers if you do not already run them. Total rear toe-in 4.5 degrees. Short wheelbase out back. . 0 degree toe in/out in the front. Ride height rear bones level. Adjust front so when viewed from the side it's nose is higher than rear. No limiters inside the shocks. Make sure your suspension is not bound up and is very free. Tires are usually Edge fronts in M3 and Bowties in M3. Use small changesin front ride hieght to get more or less steering. Start with chassis level.

THE SHOCK(ING) AFFAIRE

For those of you just entering 1:8 scale racing. Just a little story about shock-fluids. In the beginning of the 80's cars were equipped with small shock absorbers. The shock fluid used was normaly a kind of transmission oil. These oils always changed in viscosity during use. Therefore all kinds of products were tried. Even STP oil was used, you then had to warm up your shocks before racing with a hair dryer before you could use them. Fortunenatly silicone oil was introduced in the mid 80's. This type of oil has an almost constant viscosity over a wide tempearture range. The thickness of the oil is officialy rated in CENTI STOKES "Cs". An other known American rating is WEIGHT "WT". The thinner the oil (fluid) the lower the number, the ticker the oil the higher the number. For normal shock absorber use, this rate may vary between 100 Cs untill 500 Cs. Nowadays we use O-ring sealed diff's, so we can use silicone oil in the diff's instead of thick grease. For diff's the rate may vary between 1.000 Cs (loose) up to even 500.000 Cs (very, very, stiff)

 Some USA based companies are still using the "WT" rating, where Japanese and European companies use the better linear Centi Stokes rating. A lot off people think that the ratings between the "WT" and "Cs" ratings are linear but this isn't the case. For shock absorber use, this is the comparison tabel when using LOSI or ASSOCIATED silicone oil rated in "WT"

100 Cs

10 WT

150 Cs

15 WT

200 Cs

20 WT

275 Cs

25 WT

350 Cs

30 WT

425 Cs

35 WT

500 Cs

40 WT

The 50 Cs steps between "Cs" rating are linear, where the 5 WT steps used in the "WT" rating are progressive compared to the real thickness of the oil. More about static and dynamic damping of the shocks and the oil used, will follow soon.

Before you have raced your car you could make a set up that is near the 90 % of the maximum performance. The other 10 % is a question of personal feeling and fine tuning. Some like loose and some like stiff cars. Below you will find a general way of setting up your cars suspension.

!Build the car first according to the building instructions and the setup from the manual that comes with the car!

Dry testing:

Firstly how do you dry test your damping. Simple.

STEP ONE

Lift the car at the front untill a 45° degree angle, and drop it. Do the same for the rear. Look and hear! what happens with the car. If the car hits the ground (with a tick) the damping is to soft. Refill the shock with thicker oil (one step a time) or use a harder spring. If the car is bouncing on the shocks it is time to change to a lighter oil (one step at a time) or a softer spring.

STEP TWO

Now press up and down the car in a quick sequence at the front and the rear (that is the strange habbit what every racer does when he may touch someone else his car). It should be a LOOSE feeling when pressing down up and down the car in a quick sequence. The movement may not be slowed by the shocks. This means that the wheels may not be lifted when releasing the downwards pressure. If they do, lower the oil thickness one step a time. The front damping may always be a little harder then the rear.

STEP THREE

When you have dropped the cars front or rear-end, the suspensions arms should finish just below the horizontal line of the arms. So they make a slight V.

If the cars suspensions arms are above the horizontal line lower the pre load on the springs or use shorter springs.

If the cars suspensions arms are to far below the horizontal line raise the pre load on the springs or use longer springs.

Do not use the suspension travel limiter screws! We always need the full lenght of the travel of the shock absorbers. Unless your are racing on tarmac of course.